Raptors Forum | Toronto Raptors Forums & Message Boards - View Single Post - RF Election!
Thread: RF Election!
View Single Post
Old 04-15-2011, 02:24 PM   #91 (permalink)

giant steps
'trane's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,190

Originally Posted by Benzo View Post
I was a very small business.....it is not relevant ...Give me a tax break on my profit any day of the week and twice on Sunday, I can hire more people with that than I can with 4k.

Re: United Way

If we tax big business more than other places, they will leave. Bottom line, I don't give 2 shits where the profits go, but I prefer they employee Canadians over Americans.

Remember when it was really inexpensive for Americans to make movies here and we had the second largest amount of films in North America in Toronto. 1000's employed. California, cut the taxes on profit to lure them back and it worked, there are 50% less being made now. If we remove the tax cuts, businesses that moved here because of them will leave and with that 100's of thousands of jobs.

I believe in these fundamentals, and arguing political parties is senseless unless you think you can move me from belief in..

-Free Market
-Less Government
-Freedom of the individual

Everything else falls in there somewhere.
ok so you're post about the united way proved my point. they broke records mostly because of individual and organizational donations. the government sponsorship of those kinds of organizations is drying up and org's like the united way are picking up the slack becasue concerned citizens are making huge donations to offset what the goverment is no longer doing.

i oppose a completely free market because the market has no conscience. i am willing to do that because i don't believe in complete freedom of the individual, i believe in the health of the community. free individuals trample the vulnerable. free markets not only enable this, they encourage it. we need to tend towards free markets, but check them when they degrade the social health of the community. i believe in an involved government because it is the only thing with the strength to rein in the tendancy of free markets to dominate the weak (and i don't mean the lazy or the stupid, i mean the truly vulnerable).

compassionate conservatism, on a fiscal level, is not a tenable position. you can't believe both in complete individual freedom/completely free markets and also in social safety nets that protect the marginalized. and once you accept that some intervention is necessary your arguments on curbing that intervention can no longer be logically based on the free market position, since we are no longer talking about a free market, nor about unfettered individual liberty. the argument needs to be a rational analysis of needs and possibilities, of limits and balance. if you accept that any of this has to be done, i don't see you can can also be unwilling to move from any of those 3 core beliefs.
'trane is offline   Boss Key Wife Key