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Old 04-15-2011, 02:12 PM   #90 (permalink)
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re. ignatieff, go for it if you think it helps. if you can find a bold-faced lie from an area at which he is a supposed expert (like harper is with constitutional law and politics), and that impacts the fundamental layout of our political system i would love to hear it.


as to your 3 points:

i am not opposed to profit. in fact i am involved with social enterprise profit in what i do for a living. that doesn't mean that all profit is good or that as a community we shouldn't think about the ways in which we re-distribute wealth. tax breaks on total profit (or on revenue, depending on how you slice it) are way too high up the chain to make a real difference. they can be too easily absorbed before the benifits reach those that really need it. i don't want to hamper competitiveness, but i don't give a rats ass about a business that isn't willing to take on it's share of social responsibility. profit is good, but it can't be the sole, or even the primary, motivator. if it is, it crushes everything that is vulnerable.

a $4k tax break for a new hire is very relevant. ask any very small business. it could (and probably should) be higher, but that's not the same argument as dismissing it. there is great value in exploring other options besides straight up corporate tax breaks. i applaud the creativity, if not the final number.

your last point is pretty vague. and i don't know how you could possibly vote tory if you really believe in funding groups and services that can't fund themselves. are you aware of what has happened with the united way over the last few years, as an example?
I was a very small business.....it is not relevant ...Give me a tax break on my profit any day of the week and twice on Sunday, I can hire more people with that than I can with 4k.

Re: United Way
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United Way Ottawa announced last Friday, April 8, that they are investing $31.5 million in programs, services and initiatives for measureable change in the community.

They also announced total revenue of $35.6 million in 2010, which includes the $33.2 million raised with record breaking private and public investment in priority goals through Targeted Community Investments, grants and contributions by other charitable organizations.
If we tax big business more than other places, they will leave. Bottom line, I don't give 2 shits where the profits go, but I prefer they employee Canadians over Americans.

Remember when it was really inexpensive for Americans to make movies here and we had the second largest amount of films in North America in Toronto. 1000's employed. California, cut the taxes on profit to lure them back and it worked, there are 50% less being made now. If we remove the tax cuts, businesses that moved here because of them will leave and with that 100's of thousands of jobs.

I believe in these fundamentals, and arguing political parties is senseless unless you think you can move me from belief in..

-Free Market
-Less Government
-Freedom of the individual

Everything else falls in there somewhere.
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